The Surge Option

Posted: 11/22/2006 by Floyd in Labels:

Judging from this it seems that we are toying with the notion that 20,000 more troops in Iraq will relinquish some of the violence now associated with the different warring factions going on in the area. This idea has been dubbed the "surge option" by some officials, the article goes on to say that an increase this year from 128,000 to 144,000 has not seemed to curb the violence. So might as well throw another 20,000 in the mix, actually during the increase in troops it has seemed to spike a up tilt in the violence that is going on there, what they are failing to tell you here is that a great majority of Iraqis want us out and another great majority approve attacks on us. I thought America spoke pretty clearly in this election her feelings on the matter, however,

it also seems that our officials do not listen very well. Here is a link that will give you once again an impression that has been touted by me and many bloggers for a long time and that is basically the Iraqis are wanting us 'out' it is as simple as that, apparently we could care less what the Iraqis want and the bottom line is we are going to free them if it kills them. And all this talk of John McCain, one opinion and that is 20,000 more troops will win Iraq, want to read John McCain's real plan for Iraq, link to Robert Reich, who talked with McCain on this very matter Sunday morning.
John at this time is more interested in looking Presidential and when all is said and done, he could say well I told them to put 20,000 more in Iraq and it would alleviate some of the violence and normalize the situation. But it could be a liability, we put 20,000 more in and nothing happened. Whether this will work or not remains to be seen but the odds certainly are not in its favor, the Americans want us out, the Iraqis want us out and most 'Reagan' conservatives want us out, uh, surely we are not all wrong. Most of the Army brass that have been involved see the training of the Iraqi Army as climbing Mount Everest with swimming trunks on, and most feel it would take years to accomplish the necessary training.< /span>


  1. Jim says:

    Great minds think alike. I have a new post on the McCain Plan, that I believe is not for real.

  1. Floyd says:

    Hey good to see you Jim, I checked it out very good post. It does not seem to be enough to get the job done, McCain just wants to be in the spot-light.

    Re-deployment to Kuwait and the Kurdish stronghold to the North, gets us out of the killing zone and yet keeps us in a situation where we can see if the Iraqis can begin to manage their own affairs.

  1. Octavian says:

    We've gotten ourselves to the point where we can't leave without a bloodbath, and we can't stay without a bloodbath. That is basically what the Pentagon's plan says.

    If I may be so bold; here is mine:

    We stop weapons and aummunition from entering the country as well as we possibly can.

    We ban most weapons and start to collect them. This will lead us into conflict with the militias.

    We destroy the militias, most of the country hates us so much they all want us out. And we leave, having destroyed all previously organized divisions within the government.

    I assume the body count between that plan, and the "go long" plan wont be very different.

  1. Floyd says:

    Hello octavian my friend, be bold, always be bold.

    That plan could also work, what we are doing now definitely could use some improvement. I would even go so far as to say McCain's plan does have some merit, if we had enough troops to throw at the problem.

    From what I have heard these militias are associated within the government, the so called police a lot of these seem corrupt also, so we have the insurgency, a lot of the police themselves, the militias and most of the population against us, I just don't see how we can establish any viable government confronting this many obstacles.

    The only faction in Iraq that seems to tolerate us is the Kurds, they don't seem to have all the in-fighting that has engulfed the Sunni and Shia of Iraq, the Kurds welcomed the invasion of our forces and even now the Kurds support us, because basically the Kurds were an oppressed people in this region until the invasion.

  1. People probably wouldn't like my idea, but I think ought to hand arrest and hand over to the Iraqis the people who ordered this invasion to be tried for war crimes. Do it in the same court they tried Saddam.

    Then perhaps the Hauge and the International Crimal Court of the U.N. might look like a more attractive idea to future American leaders.

  1. Floyd says:

    Hello Chad my friend, hey you know that could be one of the better ideas Chad. Glad to see you stopping by and paying a visit.

    I will tell you guys something, I have heard a great many General's coming from Iraq and some involved there in ground operations, and there are many conflicting views.

    You also have touched on an idea Chad, the simple fact is we should have stopped in Kuwait and assessed the situation to see what we were up against.